Invision Board 'full integration' with Mambo

[VisiGod]

Let's continue our conversation about the integration of IPB and Mambo. Any news on the component ?

P.S.: Sorry to hear about the forums, They we're full of interesting information :cry:

[PhilTaylor (aka PrazGod)]

I miss them already - all my knowledge and FAQ links are gone :-( hehe

Nevermind things will look up again soon :-)

[spignataro]

ask mmx about more information on it.....

[neo]

good ,we need more good forum inside the mambo system

[stangster]

just to keep in mind: mmx is on standby until someone gets in contact with the programmer of the ibf2mambo member table conversion hack. there was lots of information about in the FUD forums :-( .

[mmx]

I did not recieve a reply yet from Invision and no reply from Leonid at Russian support site. I have seen several posts implying that the Russian site has a port in progress, so I will most likely back out of this one. It makes no sense to port it over twice.

[gordy]

I did not recieve a reply yet from Invision and no reply from Leonid at Russian support site. I have seen several posts implying that the Russian site has a port in progress, so I will most likely back out of this one. It makes no sense to port it over twice.

i hope not, i cannot stand phpBB after using IBF, i'd rather not box my self out of great software on the protestations of it not being "GNU"

[mmx]

That's not the problem. A Russian team may have started a port already according to a message left on the old forum by a fellow by the name of Leonid. I replied to the messages here and at mamboportal.com and also sent email. I still have not received an answer yet. I attempted to leave email in the forums on the Russian site, but error messages were appearing in Russian.

The second problem is the license itself. Invision needs to approve the work because it is not GNU, otherwise we have a copyright problem, not to mention a prosecutable violation of intellectual rights. I left a detailed message elaborating on what I planned to do and asked them to send something in writing. So far nothing, not even an email confirmation.

In a few weeks, it may not matter anyhow. I'm working on something else that should elminate the need for a port.

I did not recieve a reply yet from Invision and no reply from Leonid at Russian support site. I have seen several posts implying that the Russian site has a port in progress, so I will most likely back out of this one. It makes no sense to port it over twice.

i hope not, i cannot stand phpBB after using IBF, i'd rather not box my self out of great software on the protestations of it not being "GNU"

[amccann]

Hi all:

Just an FYI, a company called dreamcost.com has a front end access control tool that has been ported to work with both Mambo and IPB (among others).

That means that IPB has allowed an organization to make the appropriate changes. However, since dreamcost is a chargeable product, it is unclear whether or not Invision is getting a license fee.

I sent in another email to them asking about how to best deal with this.

Alan

[mmx]

The Dreamcost product is for 4.0.x, I believe. I ran into it earlier.

I found another solution based on XML-RPC and SOAP that holds better promise and is being integrated into many portal and cms applications. It runs as a standalone application within the root of the main Mambo site and can automatically replicate user logon and registration data among multiple Mambo sites and third party applications. I should have a site running with about 30 Mambo nodes in a week or so and will post a URL at that time.

[mmx]

Hello mmx,

Ivan (zilot@iboard.ru ) started to integrate IBF into Mambo as was made by Adam van Dongen in this component for PHPbb and Mambo
http://www.tim-online.nl/downloads/phpbb_component.zip

But as i know he has no succeded. You are invited to contact with him ,and ask there is he stuck. I assume it will be best solution :)

Monday, October 20, 2003, 5:31:19 AM, you wrote:

Mac> Leonid... if the Russian site is going to port IPB as a Mambo component,
Mac> please let me know.

Mac> I started to port the XOOPS 2.x IPB v1.23 module over to a component this
Mac> morning but stopped when I spotted your message on mamboportal.com (Arthur's
Mac> site). I will stop working on the component until you confirm whether or not you
Mac> are building a new component. There is no reasons to have two. I'm working on
Mac> other components also, so I will gladly stop on this one.

Mac> Best Regards

Mac> Gene Rodrigues (mmx)
Mac> mediamechanix@aol.com


--
Best regards,
Leonid mailto:snop@iboard.ru

Mambo in Russia ------------------> http://www.mamboserver.ru
Visit our forum ------------------> http://www.iboard.ru

[gordy]

The second problem is the license itself. Invision needs to approve the work because it is not GNU, otherwise we have a copyright problem, not to mention a prosecutable violation of intellectual rights.
could not the tools be supplied as a seperate entity and instructions on how to do so?

[mmx]

As I understand it, it took the XOOPS author more than a year to get approval to build an actual module. During the interim period, he built change pages. A user would install IPB in a module (component in our jargon) directory and then overwrite certain files with the replacement file set. They apparently turned a blind eye to this approach but have since changed their license.

This is all moot if the Ivan is handling the port. We do not have to be involved in these details if the port is handled in Russia.

The second problem is the license itself. Invision needs to approve the work because it is not GNU, otherwise we have a copyright problem, not to mention a prosecutable violation of intellectual rights.
could not the tools be supplied as a seperate entity and instructions on how to do so?

[mmx]

Leonid and I exchanged a few more messages. He is going to talk to Ivan to get the current status on the project and will contact me as soon as possible.

[mmx]

Leonid and I exchanged a few more messages. He is going to talk to Ivan to get the current status on the project and will contact me soon.

[VisiGod]

Great news mate... Keep me/us updated.... i'm waiting for the mambo/ipb integration to launch my new site... :)

[VisiGod]

I've forgot to mention. There is an IPB SDK that can be used with Mambo. The link to get it is http://mods.ibplanet.com/db/?mod=1791

You can use it with Mambo and update both databases at the same time (probably).

[Jonno]

Why didn't I think of that? lol

On ibplanet.com, the author of the SDK also has an improved SSI file which I found extremely useful on my old site, I'll get a link tomorrow.

[mmx]

Regarding IBPlanet, I download the SDK and several other items a few weeks ago when I started to look into this.

IPB 1.2f is the current stable release for download. Has anyone been running the 1.3 pdr2 version on a live site, and what are your opinons on its stability at this point?

[stangster]

nope... we were going through1.2 rc1,2,3 until final... now it is enough 8)

but the sdk... it allows to do many things like using the complete pm system, register from any site etc... it will be very nice for custom mambo modules

BUT

there is no link for the user db's... you have to use the ibf members,
then you couldn't use mambo auth for any components...

therefore i am waiting for mmx' soap thing... then it will be perfekt!

[mmx]

I am still unsure if Ivan at the Russian support site is going to be able to complete the port in progress. Last heard, Ivan was stuck getting the phpBB-like authentication to work right with Mambo. At the moment, we cannot see his code to help out. Leonid is investigating.

Yes... the SDK opens up some interesting possibilities to both module and component developers and Ivan should be notified about its existance.

Because of changes made in 1.02 and 1.03, I think it's not necessary to use Mambo auth. The die routine is supposed to prevent script access solely. If fact, some of the 1.02 problems with components not working is because auth checks exist.

I got side tracked on the last item. Helping out with the MOS docs for a while, so they are ready for final release. I did manage to get a multisite up for testing this week but have not had time to work on it lately; maybe this weekend. Anyhow, I need to look at 1.03 to see if a few tables changed.

nope... we were going through1.2 rc1,2,3 until final... now it is enough 8)

but the sdk... it allows to do many thinks like using the complete pm system, register form any site etc... it will be very nice for custom mambo modules

BUT

there is no link for the user db's... you have to use the ibf members,
then you couldn't use mambo auth for any components...

therefore i am waiting for mmx soap thing... then it will be perfekt!

[stangster]

Because of changes made in 1.02 and 1.03, I think it's not necessary to use Mambo auth. The die routine is supposed to prevent script access solely.

but what's with components wich depends on user actions, like user submitted downloads, blog etc.? ( sorry, I am not deep into the core files until now )

Helping out with the MOS docs for a while, so they are ready for final release. Thanks for that :!:

[Jonno]

There is little difference between 1.2 and 1.3 that i have noticed. In fact, the only fdifference I noticed was a little shared notepad for admins in the AdminCP

[stangster]

yeah and a few options and tools for moderators...
i think they didn't touch the "core" nor the db

[VisiGod]

The IPB changelog points this changes:

"
IPB 1.2 FINAL to 1.3 Upgrade

Fixed Bugs
..........

#90566: -name- format breaks display when quoting
#89613: Incorrect Nav URL when posting a poll after topic creation
#84856: Wrong URL in IPDl in the poll header
#85436: SQL formatting incorrect when dealing with "LEFT JOIN"
#85683: Typo in help files; "forgotten"
#86851: Typo in admin logs when removing all email logs
#87153: Typo in ACP skin section names
#85455: Typo in error message when entering incorrect password
#83957: Typo: Duplicates in some language files
#86508: Minor: URL parsing bug, inserting '...' when not required
#87936: ACP: Editing forum desc adds line breaks incorrectly
#89064: PM: Archiving PM's inverted time selection
#90093: ACP: Logic flaw in time selection when deleting members
#89415: Moderating: Incorrect mod-log entry when editing a topic title
#87782: Forum jump missing forums under certain circumstances
#88700: UCP: changing email address doesn't check ban list
#87054: DOHTML not parsing correctly on print/download page formats
#87099: Stretching "please wait" messages due to "nowrap"
#90193: XHTML: Flash avatars no compliant
#89594: Posting poll & preview doesn't always remove slashes
#87277: Logging in redirect not working when register globals is off
#86397: Incorrect height tag in profile picture
#85833: Warn pop-up pagination / JS errors
#90265: IPDL: Latest discussions shows password protected forum topics
#89679: ACP: Using backslashes in group prefix/suffix not working
#89461: ACP: Missing global call to $IN in admin_skin
#88927: Searching: MySQL 3.X / FULLTEXT / trim error
#89053: When quoting a post it's possible to use more smilies than allowed
#84651: Searching for new posts can show not approved topics
#92848: Emailing, not counting limits properly
"

So we can call it an ipb1.2 service pack :lol:

No big changes, especially the database.

[mmx]

Which implies that it is a bug fix release more than anything else.

[VisiGod]

Yes sir... Only a bug fix...

[Jonno]

Not enough to warrant a new release at all IMHO...

[mmx]

It's safer to stick with the 1.2f release if we get the chance to do it here.

After 1.3 is stable, it should not be too difficult to move the changes over if necessary (just compare the differences with a file comparator and move the new code over).

[VisiGod]

So.... when do you expect to have something we can test mmx ? I dont want to hurry, but i wanted this component so much, i can hardly wait :)

[mmx]

I'm working on doc stuff at the moment for the wakka and waiting it out like the rest of you. I don't particularly see a need to two of these if Ivan and Leonid have a separate project underway. It has been started, but there seems to be some doubts about getting it completed. They are attempting to use the login module from the phpBB module to get it to work.

If I don't hear anything from either of the two by the weekend, I'm going to assume they are stuck and will start off from scratch with 1.2f.

So.... when do you expect to have something we can test mmx ? I dont want to hurry, but i wanted this component so much, i can hardly wait :)

[Cyrana]

I can test things too if you want another person...

I am using 1.3 right now, though. I don't see a ton of differences, but I know it has some minor changes to the admin cp and I think some to skins. So far, nothing is broken, and I have 4 different products tying into the user database and other items....

[r0l0e]

as far as i know, IPB 1.3 was only suppose to be an update for 1.2f. they just decided to change the numbers. IMO the "major" difference from 1.2f to 1.3 is permission access level. everything else is basically the same, including the ibf_users table.

i have seen some ports that work with 1.3. for example.. hivemail and photopost, both scripts work very well using ibf_users table. you can also go to http://mods.ibplanet.com/ for more authors who integrated invision with other CMS.

i have not used xoops in a while. i have tried IPB/Xoops port a while back ago. you still had to register twice to be logged in both CMS and forum. he might have fully integrated it by now.

i hope you do post IPB and mambo, especially with 1.3. so i will keep close eye on this thread.

[Cøbra]

Invision Power Board married with Mambo is something I am dying to see :D

mmx : please say you're up for it :D

[coderefiner]

A few of us from work will be backing up mmx while his daughter is in the hospital.

Does anyone know if Leonid Romanovsky from the Russian support site ever got back to verify whether they planned to complete or abandon their attempt to port over IPB. WE NEED TO KNOW this and would appreciate it if someone could pass on this gentleman's email address. Gene mentioned a script for importing MOS user data into IPB. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this because it may include Leonid's contact information.

We will port it if they abandoned their project but need confirmation. We are all ready to go on this end.

Invision Power Board married with Mambo is something I am dying to see :D

mmx : please say you're up for it :D

[gordy]

honestly, so what if there is two?

[VisiGod]

I've updated the script that Leonid made and sent him a copy. He told me that he would update the other one but no luck for now....

Please use this file:

http://194.65.126.112/ibf2mambo.zip

If you want the latest version...

Sorry if i'm breaking any rule in posting a link to a file.

P.S.: Leonid contact is:

Leonid Romanovsky (snop@iboard.ru)
Mambo in Russia - www.mamboserver.ru

[coderefiner]

We agree and will start today. We will use 1.2f as a starting point and will consider upgrading the code to 1.3 later.

honestly, so what if there is two?

As a first pass, we will rewrap the IPB Frontend, Admin CP, and Installer to load within Mambo. Because of the way IPB is designed, only one option will appear in the Admin Components menu (Invision). Rather than attempt to build a complete MOS component installer, we will only transfer files to the correct directories with the MOS installer file (no database tables will be created) and allow IPB to use the conditional code in index.php to load the installer if the configuration file does not exist. So the standard IPB install will be performed within Mambo Admin. After the install, the Admin CP will load when the same option is selected. This is the easiest and fastest way of getting something done quickly.

We need to wait for the 1.03 beta before being specific about the MOS/IPB login and registration. The technique everyone else is using for standalone application authentication requires hacks to the MOS index.php and other files. We have several ideas for implementing login and registration in other ways that would allow other applications to exchange login and registration information. There are no standards at this point that define what a MOS superpack is, so we hope to do some core quality work in this area and hopefully release a solution that allows MOS to embed other standalone applications much simpler than other cms/portals. We will probably be releasing a second component that handles third-party application authentication and the IPB component will be the first one to use it. In order to do this properly, we may add a new table to MOS to handle application dependencies, preventing the IPB installation if the authentication component is not available.

What add-on modules and hacks do you want to see added or would you prefer to do these on your own?

After the first release, we will consider building a MOS-like replacement for Admin CP that works in parallel with the standard code, allowing the Admin to choose a MOS-like interface or the standard IPB interface. We assume this is the preferred way to handle this.

It may be possible to provide an optional, alternate login/registration file set based on the IPB SDK, but need to wait for beta 1.03 before comitting on this.

Please comment on the above or make suggestions if you prefer to see an alternate approach for building the first release.

[gordy]

wonderful...

not being very coding savvy but more graphic savvy, i can offer up my flag set to compliment the country flag hack for IBF...

http://www.modelersunderground.com/images/sample.gif

view in action here:

[VisiGod]

What add-on modules and hacks do you want to see added or would you prefer to do these on your own?

I think that most of the mods are authentication independent. And i guess that it's a big step integrating both applications, so take a step at the time. The mods will be tested afterwards.


After the first release, we will consider building a MOS-like replacement for Admin CP that works in parallel with the standard code, allowing the Admin to choose a MOS-like interface or the standard IPB interface. We assume this is the preferred way to handle this.
:shock: WOW... 10 stars in possible 5... wouldnt ask for that much. A simple link in the MOS adminCP to the IPB adminCP would do...

not being very coding savvy but more graphic savvy, i can offer up my flag set to compliment the country flag hack for IBF...
Excellent flags dude... 1000% better than the ones in IPB... Thanks for the "donation"

If you need any more comments or ideas, i'll be around (sticked to the screen waiting for the first beta release)

[VisiGod]

There is a new version of IPB. not much as changed...

[VisiGod]

We agree and will start today. We will use 1.2f as a starting point and will consider upgrading the code to 1.3 later.

Any news ? I'm soooooo stress about this... i want this sooooo much i can hardly wait... :)

pretty please with sugar on top ?

Even a beta would be good so i could test it ?

[Jonno]

Are you using the IPB SDK? Because it's still in pretty active development, up to Version 0.52 now.

[VisiGod]

bump.....


Any news on this coderefiner ?

Thanks and sorry for the bump.... :)

[mmx]

Hi... I will check on this Monday.

Last heard, they had started to port over the most recent 1.3 version (pdr3) about a week or so ago. We are working on some other components and modules for our own site at the same time. Some of these might have higher priorities than this one. That is, it's dependent on a second component for the replication of authentication information between IPB, MOS, and other third-party applications.

We are also porting over Shawn McKenzies Postwrap module for Postnuke (sister to the Windows module for Xaraya). There was some talk last week about integrating the third-party authentication component with com_wrappers (Postwrap), allowing the user to choose a wrapper type for the embedded application (currently, the standard MOS component wrapper or an iFrame wrapper, but later an xhtml wrapper scheme). The iFrame is the easy way out for integration for someone with no php programming skills and the MOS wrapper requires the removal of some HTML code and the addition of some MOS-specific code. I do not know where they went with all this at this point and need to ask a few questions.

bump.....


Any news on this coderefiner ?

Thanks and sorry for the bump.... :)

[mmx]

Sorry to be so slow in getting back to you all, but things have been busy here both at work and because of a near fatal car accident involving my daugther. I've been a bit stressed out with worry and lost about 15 pounds over two weeks.

I joined the TOSMO project this morning to give the component a future home. I have a nasty week of solving mamcom problems ahead of me and will take over this project immediately afterwards. This won't effect progress on the project. Work is continuing on a time availability basis by others at work.

Walter (coderefiner) has to spend a month in Texas on a multimedia project and will be helping out on all projects, including the MOS documentation project when he returns. If anyone wants to know how to run MOS from a CD based webserver, ask Walter when he gets back.

[VisiGod]

Sorry to be so slow in getting back to you all, but things have been busy here both at work and because of a near fatal car accident involving my daugther. I've been a bit stressed out with worry and lost about 15 pounds over two weeks.

Man.... Nothing... and i mean NOTHING compares to our family (specially our kids). I'm sorry to hear that and i hope that everything is OK now. Get well first, then we continue. No worries, no rushes....

All of the best from VisiGod

[stangster]

I'm sorry to hear that and i hope that everything is OK now. Get well first, then we continue. No worries, no rushes....

i second this...
best wishes from germany

stangster

[RejuviNET.com]

Sorry to be so slow in getting back to you all, but things have been busy here both at work and because of a near fatal car accident involving my daugther. I've been a bit stressed out with worry and lost about 15 pounds over two weeks.


Wow... hope all is ok, MMX... I went through something similar myself about 3 months ago (got hit by a drunk driver - fractured my neck and 3 places in my skull, among other injuries - still have problems sitting in front of my 'pooter more than 30-45 minutes at a time) - I certainly know how an accident (especially something as serious as "near-fatal") can affect a family unit...

Best wishes from Canada, bud - and my best thoughts with your daughter. I hope she's recovering well.


Dave

[repute]

Ya mmx Keep your face in the sunshine and the shadows will fall behind you... ok! hangloose everything will always be how it has to be...

I hope also that the intergration of invision will be comming soon it's just a great idea invision is just the perfect community system addon for mambo I think!

Strength,

Repute

[stangster]

There are interesting News @ Invisionpower.com. They're working on a centralized log in solution --> http://www.invisionboard.com/converge/index.php

[VisiGod]

bump.... :)

Any news on this ?

converge seems a nice solution for integrating both programs, but it's still under development and i can't get my hands on it :(

[repute]

Yea i'm waiting on it 2 :S

Greets,

Repute

[mmx]

Alive and well and I'm still working on it. A lot of pre-Chistmas rush orders at work have been cutting down on my personal time but I have been spending time on it every day. I have not had much time to check on my email here lately.

The new ACL changes are a learning curve of their own, and I think many are trying to cross that bridge right now.

[repute]

Great MMX your the best! Looking forward to it! I think this would be an great step forward for mambo as an community system it al comes together that way :D

Hangloose and let us know when it ready (duh :S hehe)

Greets,

Repute

[VisiGod]

Alive and well and I'm still working on it. A lot of pre-Chistmas rush orders at work have been cutting down on my personal time but I have been spending time on it every day. I have not had much time to check on my email here lately.

The new ACL changes are a learning curve of their own, and I think many are trying to cross that bridge right now.

Do you need any help with it ?

[VisiGod]

Hey mmx, do you have any christmas gift for me :) like an invision/mambo integrator ?

eheheh

[pixelsoul]

:D That would be great as to my opinion Invision is still the best forum software outthere... in combination with best cms :D :D :D

[mmx]

Sorry, but no. With earlier problems with my daughter who I don't have home yet (lots of travelling) each day to a local convalescent home and our usual end-of-the-year rush at work, I have not had much time for my projects. As you may have noticed, I have not had much time to visit here lately because of our year end rush. They promised my daughter back home before Christmas and things should slow down on the work front after the new year. I need to get back to everyone on this after the first of the year.



Hey mmx, do you have any christmas gift for me :) like an invision/mambo integrator ?

eheheh

[VisiGod]

Hey mmx, glad to hear that your daughter is getting well day by day. I've noticed your absence from here (:)), and again, please take care of your loving ones first.

Merry christmas and a happy, healthy new year :)

Take care and all the best,

VisiGod

[RejuviNET.com]

Sorry, but no. With earlier problems with my daughter who I don't have home yet (lots of travelling) each day to a local convalescent home and our usual end-of-the-year rush at work, I have not had much time for my projects. As you may have noticed, I have not had much time to visit here lately because of our year end rush. They promised my daughter back home before Christmas and things should slow down on the work front after the new year. I need to get back to everyone on this after the first of the year.


Wouldn't that be the BEST Christmas gift? Having your daughter home for the holiday? Our thoughts and best wishes are with you and your family.

It's great to hear she's doing well.

[pixelsoul]

:roll: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showtopic=14632

It must be possible to convert the php nuke hack somehow with the database settings from mambo right... or wrong ? :roll:

[mmx]

I didn't look at the PHP-NUKE hack, but I did look at the Postnuke hack. XOOPS has a trouble free module based on 1.23 with good integration and a 1.3 version close to completion. I have used earlier versions from the same author, so it made better sense to use some of his ideas and particularly his techniques for integrating IPB authentication into the solution. If everything goes as planned, we should not experience the authentication problems of the phpBB module and MOS will be able to include IPB content in search operations.

I'm also toying with the idea of integrating one of the IPB add-on contributions for posting forum content as news. If it's possible to optionally feed forum content into news categories, it should be possible to syndicate that content. This would be really useful as a solution for another thread going on elsewhere on this site.

:roll: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showtopic=14632

It must be possible to convert the php nuke hack somehow with the database settings from mambo right... or wrong ? :roll:

[stangster]

I'm also toying with the idea of integrating one of the IPB add-on contributions for posting forum content as news. If it's possible to optionally feed forum content into news categories, it should be possible to syndicate that content

very good idea mmx... i thought about it by myself, using the sdk or so...

but first of all: no hurry with that - your loved ones are much more important!

Happy Holidays!

s ta n g s t e r

[pixelsoul]

Yes you are right, some japanese name site koudanshi or something i have used the board asswell... and i must say it worked great. hmm maybe we should invite the guy to let him see how much better mambo is compared to xoops :lol:


I didn't look at the PHP-NUKE hack, but I did look at the Postnuke hack. XOOPS has a trouble free module based on 1.23 with good integration and a 1.3 version close to completion. I have used earlier versions from the same author, so it made better sense to use some of his ideas and particularly his techniques for integrating IPB authentication into the solution. If everything goes as planned, we should not experience the authentication problems of the phpBB module and MOS will be able to include IPB content in search operations.

I'm also toying with the idea of integrating one of the IPB add-on contributions for posting forum content as news. If it's possible to optionally feed forum content into news categories, it should be possible to syndicate that content. This would be really useful as a solution for another thread going on elsewhere on this site.

:roll: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showtopic=14632

It must be possible to convert the php nuke hack somehow with the database settings from mambo right... or wrong ? :roll:

[EMiller]

How is this coming along or is it still a possibility? It would really benifit my current project.

[mmx]

Still working on it.

[johnd]

Awesome! Any chance we could get a status report (e.g. percentage done) or something along that line. I don't want to pull you away from anything for any length of time but a little something would be nice ... for us curious type. :D

Thanks again for your time in this ... this will defintely be a welcome asset in my future projects!

[stangster]

please...? :roll:

[mmx]

I'm sort of doing this odd assembly line thing while building components and learning as I go along. There are two other components aside from the IPB port (phProfession and a thin-wrapper version of osCommerce). There was another earlier (Jinzora), but the author is doing this on his own, but I may build some modules for this.

At the moment, I'm working on extensions to the existing authentication and sessions system, so I can handle the increased number of fields used by different applications. All of the above will use these in one way or another. I also need this for some other Postnuke/Xaraya module ports I have to do later. Two additional shareable components are going to come out of this--one expands on com_registration and the other expands on com_user. Both are admin components and both can be used by other authors who are porting over similar modules from other portal/cms platforms.

Until a week ago my spare time was limited. This is no longer the case.

[stangster]

Until a week ago my spare time was limited. This is no longer the case.
/me is pleased to hear this... :P

this sounds very interessting, thank you for the update

[VisiGod]

and /me jumps in joy

Wooooohooooooooooooo.....

I cant wait any longer.....

[Phraxion]

Is there possibly an ETA for this integration? :?: :?:

[madyz]

are still guys working on this ? :)
damn best cms with the best bb :D
cant wait to install it :D :lol:

[repute]

I cant wait till this module is finished! I think the best free content en communitymanagement system is going to be born one of these days!

Your the best MMX!!!

Greets,

Repute

[Nomek]

Just wondering if there was an update about this integration??

Can't wait to see this in action :)

Thanks for workin on this mmx :)

[repute]

Yea me to :D

[mmx]

IPB, Zen-Cart, and phProfession will all get released around the same time frame. They all use a common component for authentication. Alpha and early beta testing is being handled locally and final beta testing will happen on a live site. When all the pieces fall into place, a message will be posted here. Downloads for all three components should be via the TOSMO project on SourceForge. If this is not possible, a support site will be placed on line.

Yea me to :D

[rasiha]

IPB, Zen-Cart, and phProfession will all get released around the same time frame. They all use a common component for authentication. Alpha and early beta testing is being handled locally and final beta testing will happen on a live site. When all the pieces fall into place, a message will be posted here. Downloads for all three components should be via the TOSMO project on SourceForge. If this is not possible, a support site will be placed on line.



Hi mmx

No idea about when the first release of these components will come alive..? :(

[repute]

Great thnks MMX!

[Damienov]

:shock: :shock:
i realy need this one

[repute]

Is it almost done?

[repute]

Guys? What's the status?

I realy need this component!

Greets,

Repute

[VisiGod]

/me also asks...

I'm getting stressed.... :lol:

[zivi]

I need this component too

[pixelsoul]

:) Yeah i guess alot of people want it inc me :wink:

[MoonHeb]

I hope that one combine the database and and I won't need to translet the wole forum and SQL files to Hebrew!

I really need this one

Thanks!

[zivi]

Anybody know what's the status?

[johnd]

Maybe you can throw us another one of your status reports. That was extremely appreciated last time. I know I can include myself amongst all the other rabid dogs in here drueling over this component. So when ever you get the chance that would be great! Thanks again for all your time with this mmx.

[Grooverider]

Just been looking at the Mambo software for a portal for my site. I am already running IPB so this seemed like a really good option. I don't wanna have to port my IPB db across to something like Xoop as if anything goes wrong I want to be able to take it straight back. This ontegration seems like a great thing to me!

Am I understanding it right?? It will be a full integration project rather than just a plugin module? How will it affect me with my existing db and forums?

I'm very keen to get my hands on this product now.

Grooverider

PS Will it leave my db intact in its current form as well?

[sharpdeck]

Can someone fill me in on why everyone is so interested in IPB? I use simple board and it works great! Just wondering.

BTW go to http://www.tsmf-mambo.com/ for more information on SimpleBoard.

[benxico]

hello sharpdeck,

simple board is a great product, but invision is very complete and very powerfull. For exemple the administration have a system to control the right on the different part of a board that is much more efficient than a lot of other product.

You can define right on a forum, on categorie, on a group of persone, etc... Try to install an invision forum and play with it, you will see why it's one of the best forum avaible know even Vbultin is not better for me it's on the same level.

Know why I still using phpbb, it's because phpbb is a GPL product, Invision have is own lisense that allow you a free trial version :
Your forum, although perfectly functional, will display a small notice at the bottom of the page that it is a free trial download.

Certain advanced features of the software (subscriptions manager, spell checker, chat service, etc.) may not be available in the free trial option as these require additional modules to operate that are only available to licence holders.

But technicly invision is a great product, the database is clear, the template system very powerfull, there is several function like automatic moderation, shedule, etc...

Has I said before play with an invision forum, play with a phpbb, and play with a simple board forum you will see the difference. But simple board can be a very good product if you don't need all the function include in invision.

Just about phpbb, with some module it's cappable to have the same functionnality than an invision forum, the admin is just a litle bit harder to understand but for the user part the same result is possible.

Best regard,

Benxico

PS : Sorry for my bad english I'm from France.

PS2 : one good question is to know if invision need to be integrate in mambo, or if mambo need to be integrate in invision...
For the futur I believe than all the good CMS will have to integrate totaly a forum, to be able to use the forum sytem to live coments on some page of the website and continue directly the discution in the topic automaticly created on the forum.
It can be use as a gest book to, etc... A forum like invision is so complete than it's not very far from a CMS. And the php engine and the data base of invision are quite powerfull.

[acidic-e-]

I was using IPB with a portal system before I changed over to Mambo 3 days ago. The Invision Forum software is one of the best around that is free and with version 2.0 it's looking like it's going to get even better. Sadly I had to ditch my IPB forums when I changed and I put in simpleboard for right now. If this does ever get finished I would gladly change back as the Admin control that I had with invision was top notice. Even though I think simpleboard is very nice it still does need work. Maybe in the future it will be able to match the features/useability of IPB.

[kevbo]

Any chance there is someone actually working on an componet for IPB?

I've been running Invision Power Board on my site for a little over a year and I recently setup mambo and it would be great to have the forum integrated into Mambo.

Please let us all know?

Thanks!

[VisiGod]

bump ? :roll:

[stangster]

whats about paying the folks at invision for a solution?
this integration seems to be badly needed, so if we collect some money, maybe tey agree to do it... license may be a problem i think...

[mediamechanix]

Be patient for a couple of more weeks. The project will be registered on mosForge later this week. Dual authentication requires a lot of work for this particular application.

[stangster]

you're alive man.... :D
I am glad to hear from you mmx...

have you followed the development for IBP 2.0 ?

[Grooverider]

I've been following it! Looks like Invision are taking it to hand to design their own Portal/CMS for IPB 2.0!

If Mambo wants to be able to compete then it had better get a component that will integrate IPB forums directly into it. It's gonna need one single user database too (single point logon) as this is what Invision are doing. IPB Portal is due to follow release of IPB 2.0 fairly quickly!

Any updates to the Mambo/IPB integration project MMX???

Grooverider

[stangster]

Grove, are you refering to the Vandetta thing, are the real Invision Portal? It seems they planned it for years... but if this becomes reality... :shock:

I meant the converge pugin that will be shipped with 2.0. Also they've redone most of the "internals", so if MMX provide us an integration for 1.3F it's not sure if this will work for 2.0. prolly it isn't :cry:

s t a n gs t e r

[Grooverider]

I am referring to the product they will be releasing called IP Dynamic! It is a project that is being worked on as we speak by the Invision Team. It will be available as an additional product for Invision Power Boards V2.0!

If you have had a look the forum software you will notice that they already have a mini portal called IP Dynamic Lite. Invision have decided that this should become a product in it's own right and will be making it into a full Portal/CMS system for purchase. No release date as such but I imagine that it will be pretty good judging by the ideas that are going to be implemented into it. I gather it will use Converge for user authentication.

By the way, Invision should be releasing the Beta version of IPB 2.0 in about 1 week! Question is what way will Mambo go with their IPB integration now? I don't know how much Invision will charge for the portal software but I doubt it will be too expensive! Could this spell the end of the IPB integration for Mambo? Would like to think it won't but is it worth going to the effort of writing a portal only to find that it will infringe copyright or just not do the job as well?

Your views on this????

Grooverider

[mediamechanix]

Never attempt to change your email address on phpBB or you'll get locked out forever. I had to re-register with a new email address, other than the new address used to change the original account.

you're alive man.... :D
I am glad to hear from you mmx...

have you followed the development for IBP 2.0 ?

[mediamechanix]

I've been following this closely myself and was hoping to see a 2.0 beta released for testing before moving much further on this. I have some of my own suspicions about this based on the limited amount of information released in the forums thus far, plus some rumors others have passed on at Planet.

The Mambo component is merely a wrapper for interfacing IPB to Mambo with dual authentication. IPB needs to be installed as usual and a few replacement files need to be added. The component installs afterwards. It needs to be that way in order to use all of the modules and hacks developed for IPB. As such it should work with any version as long as authentication in one or the other remains the same. I'm sure that authentication is going to change for Mambo when the XML-RPC login is perfected. I have some suspicions that IPB is doing something similar. Converge is a good solution, but blending XML-RPC with phpGACL is also a good solution.

Regarding portals, end users are always going to use what best meets their needs and most decisions are based on personal preferences.

I am referring to the product they will be releasing called IP Dynamic! It is a project that is being worked on as we speak by the Invision Team. It will be available as an additional product for Invision Power Boards V2.0!

If you have had a look the forum software you will notice that they already have a mini portal called IP Dynamic Lite. Invision have decided that this should become a product in it's own right and will be making it into a full Portal/CMS system for purchase. No release date as such but I imagine that it will be pretty good judging by the ideas that are going to be implemented into it. I gather it will use Converge for user authentication.

By the way, Invision should be releasing the Beta version of IPB 2.0 in about 1 week! Question is what way will Mambo go with their IPB integration now? I don't know how much Invision will charge for the portal software but I doubt it will be too expensive! Could this spell the end of the IPB integration for Mambo? Would like to think it won't but is it worth going to the effort of writing a portal only to find that it will infringe copyright or just not do the job as well?

Your views on this????

Grooverider

[mediamechanix]

All true. Thus the reason why I ask to wait a few weeks.

Grove, are you refering to the Vandetta thing, are the real Invision Portal? It seems they planned it for years... but if this becomes reality... :shock:

I meant the converge pugin that will be shipped with 2.0. Also they've redone most of the "internals", so if MMX provide us an integration for 1.3F it's not sure if this will work for 2.0. prolly it isn't :cry:

s t a n gs t e r

[mediamechanix]

A few things...

I've been experimenting with the Invision Board templates. The original plan was to leave these intact, allowing the user to customize the template to match the MOS template. However in playing with this, I might be able to handle templates in the same way as the Zen-Cart component. In this case, the user can select a standard Invision board template or an alternate template that is passive in the sense that it allows the MOS template formatting to take effect. Would this be of interest?

Stangster, the current solution does not use XML-RPC or SOAP. We decided not to use it because of security problems. In any case, the core team has a new XML-RPC login under development for 4.6 or 5.0. When the MOS core team's XML-RPC solution becomes available, com_bridge will be adapted.

The current solution uses a new component called com_bridge that's based on Bob Treumann's CMS Bridge middleware for Geeklog with the security inprovements added by other application developers. This solution adds a new menu type to MOS called Bridged Applications. Each application needs to be registered with com_bridge using a form somewhat similar to the components menu option form. This uses a new table similar to mos_components as well as a mapping table for associating bridged applications with mos_users. For all practical purposes, IPB remains IPB with full access to the contributions library.

Since the use of Converge in IPB 2.0 is still a mystery, I need to hold off on comments about it until the beta is released for testing.

We may release an experimental blogger for use with IPB. It allows users to add their own news articles and associate those news articles with forum threads. When a reader clicks the Comments option, they are taken to the IPB thread. The treaqd is automatically created when the first comment is made. This is being designed for a customer and we do not have permission to release it with a GPL license at this point.

The other bridged applications hiding in the wings at work include Zen-Cart, osCommerce, phpYellowPages, phpBB, Mindmeld, Owl, NetJuke, Mantis, ZenTrack, Moodle, aTutor, 4images, Coppermine, DotProject, phpCollab, NetOffice, phpProjeckt, GEDView, phProfession 2.6 standalone, and Live Help Center. These are all applications we use for customer builds (i.e., various customers have their own preferences when it comes to site design and we try to meet their needs). All of these are thin-wrapper components. The goal was to minimize changes to each application's core file set in the interest of taking maximum advantage of the application's contributions library. In this sense, they are really not true components. All of these can run in MOS mainbody or in full screen mode. Some allow the user to switch back and forth (not for all due to application specific reasons).

One of the reasons why this project has been taking so long is the last paragraph. Marketing keeps sending requests to add this or that based on customer wants which throws our schedule off. I said 'screw it' last week and took my workstation home to avoid these switcheroos as much as possible. It takes a lot of time to build the replacement file sets for these applications.

[mediamechanix]

Yes... I already download 2.0 and am taking a look.

[stangster]

wow, this sounds very good! if I understand right, the IBF stays untouched, so it doesn't really matter which version is used.

i like this feature:
[code:1:f391afe527]We may release an experimental blogger for use with IPB. It allows users to add their own news articles and associate those news articles with forum threads. When a reader clicks the Comments option, they are taken to the IPB thread. The treaqd is automatically created when the first comment is made. This is being designed for a customer and we do not have permission to release it with a GPL license at this point. [/code:1:f391afe527]

when are the first project files available at mosforge, what do you think?

[mediamechanix]

The intermediate bridge file changes, but the application does not. At this point, it looks like we need to make a separate bridge file for 2.0 because of Converge but I'm not sure about this yet. I need to take a closer look at the code and do some experimenting.

The blogger is going to get released as opensource, but the customer has not decided on a license yet (probably LGPL or BSD as before). It still needs some more work to add extra features that they wanted. The builds will probably pass back and forth for a few more weeks until they sign off on the project.

I have to do a job for work over the weekend and will start on this first thing on Monday morning. I should have a good idea by Wednesday on how long it will take. Maybe a week or so after that if Converge holds no big surprises. It will probably get released with code from mamBridge to get the first release out (but no mamBridge component). I want to do 2.0 first so it can be tested during the IPB beta and will do 1.3 after.

mamBridge is undergoing a project name and scope change. We finally found a way of solving the two problems that prevented John Lim's Universal concept from working the way we wanted earlier (one nasty security issue and a problem with SOAP messages getting lost if another application/server was not healthy; down for some reason). The project name will change to UniServer and the mamBridge component will be a subproject under it. The scope of the project has also changed so it can be used with a wider number of applications and provide multisite support. The goals of the project are much broader than before and the new concept is much more generic (works on other CMS/portals also). Simple Machines offered to help out and Marc Lamonte at TikiWiki will probably help out again.

[mediamechanix]

Quick progress report from over the weekend. As indicated in the last post, I started on the 2.0 version first. Matt is moving along on this project quickly, so it made better sense to start here. We'll take a vote after to see it's worthwhile to do a 1.3 component, given the stability of the 2.0 code (seems pretty stable and clean to me so far).

I started to work on the project last night after getting back from work. I'm off today and will continue. The mos_component table entries were manually, tables were manually created (sql import) to add Admin menu items and the installer file is about 90% done (very long file because of the large number of files and tables). I have not added the inserts to the installer file and will do this later today. All of the Admin files are shelled out and the IPB frameset is running in a iframe within Admin.

You have a choice on frontend wrap. We can run it in an iFrame (not what I personally want to see), make a minor modification to the template (which would require all templates to be adapted in the same way) to embed the fronend like a normal component, or wait a few weeks to see if some embedding techniques we are experimenting with eliminate the need for the template changes.

The component is going to be dependent on mamBridge code or a mamBridge component (not sure which way I will go here) for user authentication.

Regarding Converge, a separate 1.3 and 2.0 component needs to be created mainly because of changes to the database schema between the two versions and the differences in the two file sets.

Adding some slack for work commitments (rush jobs), I'm going to guess two weeks to completion and probably less. This assumes that Converge holds no surprises. At this point, it looks like the mamBridge code completely works around the Converge support.

I'll post a message every few days or so.

[VisiGod]

/me smiles and dances...


wohoooooooooo

Thx for the great news "mmx" :D :D :D

[tjay]

That piece looks to hold the key to many applications that Mambo users have had to do with out.

Cant wait to see how this works out, Thanks for the effort.

TJay

[stangster]

Very very nice! I just wonder if the IBF Usergroups are supported? Can we define a special group as eg. publishers in Mambo?

BTW: Are you still thinking of the News system you mentioned earlier?

[mediamechanix]

Very very nice! I just wonder if the IBF Usergroups are supported? Can we define a special group as eg. publishers in Mambo?

BTW: Are you still thinking of the News system you mentioned earlier?

mamBridge is a temporary solution at best because it is MOS concentric. Because of licensing constraints it's difficult to do a lot of the things everyone wants without hacking commercial code, resulting in commercial license violations.

For now, let's get all the various applications that everyone wants to use (commercial and opensource) legally bridged to Mambo for authentication and worry about the other stuff later. Solving the other stuff requires a non-MOS concentric solution that meets the needs of both commercial and opensource developers. It also needs a lot of smart people with diverse backgrounds and development expertise to pull it off.

[stangster]

yeah, not a problem... let's concentrate on the important things :)

[scorpius]

any new updates on this? :shock:

[mediamechanix]

An special opportunity presented itself over the past week to help promote Mambo. A press release will be posted soon to explain what's going on. I had to take a detour to help pursue this and will get back with a project update as soon as time permits.

[yana]

A press release will be posted soon to explain what's going on.
When it was posted and where? I'd like to read it, please

[jazzy]

any news?

or just waiting for ipb 2.0 final release to start working on this mambridge component?

It would be glad to know if developers of this component still want to make it.
If the question is in motivation and time only, maybe all IPB users could donate for this xack producing. I am willing to do that too.

since this thread is not updated, I have suspition that maybe developers don't interested in that thing anymore.. :(

Hope, I am wrong in that

[Wopoz]

So is Invision Board ready for download for MOS?

[jazzy]

Recently I had talked with Ivan on icq. He said that form july or august he begin to work on integration files.
Hope this is a good news. :)

[wide_glide]

Recently I had talked with Ivan on icq. He said that form july or august he begin to work on integration files.
Hope this is a good news. :)


Very Cool,
Soon as this is out I want it, I need it, I cant live without it.


If the question is in motivation and time only, maybe all IPB users could donate for this xack producing. I am willing to do that too.

I am willing to contribute also.



:)

[VisiGod]

bump...

Any news on this ?

[cafemonkey]

The stable release of Invision Power Board is out now. It's supposedly is easier to work with. I'm willing to pay someone to get this work.

[winabe]

The stable release of Invision Power Board is out now. It's supposedly is easier to work with. I'm willing to pay someone to get this work.
Where can i find the stable release of IPB ? which ipb version is supported ? 1.3x or 2.0 ?

[cafemonkey]

New Developments. Everyone read this post!

http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?p=62660

[pixelsoul]

Where can i find the stable release of IPB ? which ipb version is supported ? 1.3x or 2.0 ?

No version is supported.. well not for free anyways, the official site is www.invisionboard.com

[Rampage4x4]

where can i download the intergration for ipb and mambo this is very important.

[nX07]

Any new updates on MMX's bridge???

[ipbmambo]

Visit my thread : http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=13281 to see what will going on >>

[Grooverider]

Any release dat for IPBMB yet????

Would like to get trialing the mambo portal with IPB as soon as I can as it is definately the best solution!

Grooverider